Inside the global battle over chip manufacturing

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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A few weeks ago, President Biden was in the Netherlands, where he asked the Dutch government to restrict export from a company called ASML to China. ASML is the only company in the world that makes a specific machine needed to make the most advanced chips. Apple couldn’t make iPhone chips without this one machine from the Netherlands’ biggest company. ASML doesn’t just shape the Dutch economy—it shapes the entire world economy. How did that happen? Chris Miller, Tufts professor and author of Chip War: The Fight For The World’s Most Critical Technology walked me through a lot of this, along with some deep dives into geopolitics and the absolutely fascinating chip manufacturing process. This one has everything: foreign policy, high powered lasers, hotshot executives, monopolies, the fundamental limits of physics, and, of course, Texas. Here we go. Links: US issues sweeping restrictions on chip sales to China Japan and the Netherlands join US with tough chip controls on China Pat Gelsinger came back to turn Intel around — here’s how it’s going Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23342471 Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. It was produced by Creighton DeSimone and Jackie McDermott and it was edited by Callie Wright. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Our Editorial Director is Brooke Minters and our Executive Director is Eleanor Donovan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	When you arrive in the all-new Toyota Crown, every entrance becomes a grand one.
0:06.0	With an available hybrid max power train that says,
0:09.0	you always arrive fashionably on time.
0:12.0	Style that says, emphasis on the fashionably.
0:15.0	And presence that says,
0:18.0	you speak softly and everyone listens.
0:21.0	Introducing the Toyota Crown, the car that says so much.
0:26.0	Toyota, let's go places.
0:32.0	Hello and welcome to Decoder.
0:33.0	I'm Neil Appetel, Editor in Chief of the Verge,
0:35.0	and Decoder is my show of big ideas.
0:38.0	Another problem.
0:39.0	Today I'm talking to Chris Miller.
0:41.0	He's an associate professor at Tufts University,
0:43.0	and the author of the book, Chip War,
0:45.0	the fight for the world's most critical technology.
0:48.0	Now I read Chris's book on the recommendation of a good friend.
0:51.0	I got to say I was floored by him.
0:52.0	It traces the history of the chip industry
0:54.0	through the lens of international relations.
0:57.0	On a show like Decoder, we often think of companies like Intel
1:00.0	and AMD and Nvidia as individual competitors.
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