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Welcome to Straight White American Jesus.

As always, my name is Brad O'Neeshi, faculty at the University of San Francisco.

And today, joined by just an amazing guest with a really long and impressive resume with a brand new book out.

And that is John Ward. So John, thanks for joining me.

Hey, Brad. Thank you for having me really enjoyed your podcast.

And of course, I think I've been pretty vocal in my praise for the Matthew Taylor.

Yeah, you guys did. I'm happy to be here. Thank you.

Yeah. No, we, we were so glad to see your piece on that and to see your kind words.

Let me tell folks about your book.

It's called Testimony inside the evangelical movement that failed a generation.

And let me just make sure that folks know who you are.

So John is the chief national correspondent at Yahoo News.

He's covered American politicians in culture for two decades, including as a White House correspondent,

traveling aboard Air Force one and as a national affairs correspondent,

writing about two presidential campaigns.

Previously, he's the author of Camelot's and Kennedy versus Carter and the fight that broke the Democratic party

and hosts the long game podcast.

Your book really is a memoir as I got into your book.

I thought to myself, this is a, this is a memoir in every sense of the term.

And you're not, in some ways, it's, it was refreshingly simple in that sense.

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