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You have the amazing former indie head coach himself.

Chuck Pagano, thanks for joining us.

Hey, great to be with you.

Thanks for having me.

I don't know about amazing.

The older we get the better we were and I have a whole bunch of kids on my staff. I lived in Indy for a while. I'm partners with

Marshall Falls. We got a variety of Indy ties. You know, for me the highlight of

Indy is Shapiro's Delhi. I always have to give them a big shout out. For my favorite deli to be in India, not New York, it goes a long way. So anyway, you're well missed, they say in India. Also, you started your NFL coaching career in Cleveland.

I started my career in Cleveland.

I was born in Akron, Ohio.

I would say, all great things come from Ohio.

It's a great place to be from and they showed that in the playoffs once again and of

course Detroit. Well I'm going to start with the coaching dilemmas of choices and you know we out here in Los Angeles had a very aggressive coach that

liked to go forward on fourth down and I had a saying when Staley would go forward on fourth down, not all fourth and threes are equal.

And, you know, to make a quick decision that can change the entire momentum in a very, very historically important game.

What did you think about coming from an ex head coach of taking that chance, looking at the timing and risk tolerance at the time of the game,

where the momentum was of going forward on fourth and three.

Yeah, I agree with you 1,000 percent that all fourth and threes are not equal.

You know, there's analytics were just coming coming into play, you know, during my time there in Indian, became more and more prevalent.

And, you know, so that was all part of it but at the at the same time you know you have to

there's a lot of things that don't go into that like you know who you're

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