Inside the campaign to unseat Orbán
Brussels Playbook Podcast
POLITICO
4.4 • 202 Ratings
🗓️ 10 April 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hungarian voters go to the polls on Sunday, but citizens around the EU have something at stake in the outcome. |
| 0:09.0 | Over his 16 years in power, Prime Minister Victor Orban has been drifting away from the European mainstream, |
| 0:16.5 | breaking with allies, clashing with institutions, and increasingly vetoing decisions at the EU level. |
| 0:24.0 | There's a sense here that if he goes, things might just move again. |
| 0:28.9 | Look, it's a bit of a gamble. After all, his challenger, Pater Magyar, is a former Orban ally. |
| 0:35.5 | So the hope is that he might simply be less inclined to pick fights with Brussels at every turn. |
| 0:41.1 | And Magyra isn't even the first serious challenger to Orban. |
| 0:45.2 | Last time around, the opposition united around a single figure, but Orban won anyway. |
| 0:52.4 | So what would push Hungarian voters to turn away from Orban this time around? |
| 0:58.4 | Why rally behind Magyar, a former Fidesse insider, a product of the same system he now wants |
| 1:04.5 | to dismantle? And if Orban does lose, what does that change for Europe? |
| 1:14.0 | Because, yes, Brussels might breathe a sigh of relief. |
| 1:23.5 | But whether Orban stays or goes, the EU will still have a system that allows one country to hold things up, especially in foreign policy, with a veto. |
| 1:32.0 | So are we looking at a real shift in how the EU does foreign policy? Or just a change in who gets to block it? I'm Sarah Wheaton, host of EU Confidential. Later in the episode, I'll speak |
| 1:40.2 | to my colleague Nick Vinnaker about whether a leadership change in Hungary would really make |
| 1:44.2 | EU foreign policy work again, or whether the problem runs much deeper, down to the way the EU |
| 1:49.6 | actually makes decisions. But first, my conversation with journalist Abigail Frizon. You might |
| 1:56.7 | recognize her name. She was part of the EU confidential team not long ago as a trainee. She left us to go |
| 2:03.3 | work on a very cool project. For months, Abigail has been on the ground in Hungary, filming a |
| 2:08.3 | documentary about this election. Let's hear from her now. All right, Abigail, it's great to see you. |
| 2:16.3 | Where are you right now? I can see these beautiful trees. Bring us there with you. Hi, Sarah. It's so nice to see you and hear from you again. I'm in Hungary right now, and I have been in the last two weeks. I am going back and forth between the capital, Budapest, to feel the temperature here, but also between rural areas where I'm meeting |
| 2:35.4 | with local campaigners and talking to them about how this campaign is going. |
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