Joining me tonight is two outstanding guests, both NYPD graduates.

I love you using that term.

And from straight out of Brooklyn retired NYPD detective, Phil Grimaldi, welcome to the show, Phil.

Thank you for having me, Billy.

It's great to have you here.

And of course, a steady, steady guy.

He's retired NYPD sergeant, professor at Albertus Magnus College in Connecticut,

and attorney, welcome to the show.

Professor Mike Geary.

Phil, good to see you.

Good to see you, Phil.

How are you, Mike?

You know, this information, if true,

you know, we talk about, in this case,

the Idaho four murders.

We talk about the smoking gun being the DNA the

single source DNA on the button of the knife sheet but even though this information coming from

a door dash driver is again again, circumstantial evidence.

And all the people we've heard through this case,

that poo-poo circumstantial evidence,

now they can eat their hat.

Because if this is true, and if this information stands up

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