Inside Rwanda: The dictatorship Braverman dreams about

The Bunker

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News, Politics, Society & Culture, Government

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🗓️ 24 March 2023

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Suella Braverman’s plan to send refugees to Rwanda has been described as inhuman. But what is the country actually like? And what does the nation’s Government get out of the deal? Award winning journalist Anjan Sundaram joins Arthur Snell on a deep-dive into a country few of us know, but is rarely out of headlines. Anjan describes life after the genocide, the Western blind-spot to present human rights abuses and the political coercion at the heart of the present regime. Anjan wrote about the persecution of journalists in Rwanda in his book ‘Bad News: Last Journalists in a Dictatorship’. His forthcoming book Breakup on the war in the Central African Republic will be published in May. “Rwanda is a surveillance state of the highest degree.” “Kagame has ruled over Rwanda for 30 years, and he has positioned himself as a global postcolonial leader.” “Partnering with the UK paints Rwanda as a safe haven instead of the dictatorship it is.” “During the genocide, the West did very little to intervene and Kagame has used that for his own political agenda.” https://www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Arthur Snell. Audio production by Robin Leeburn. Producer: Kasia Tomasiewicz. Lead producer: Jacob Jarvis. Music: Kenny Dickinson. Group editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production Instagram | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:25.0	to send illegal migrants from here to there. Of course, no migrant has yet successfully been sent there.
1:32.0	But what is Rwanda actually like? Is it a safe
1:35.1	place for refugees to make new lives? To help us understand more about this
1:41.0	interesting and complex country, I'm delighted to be joined by Anjan Sundaram.
1:47.0	Now he's an expert on Central Africa and the author of the upcoming book, Up an account of his journalistic exploits in
1:56.9	Central Africa.
1:57.9	And John, welcome.
1:58.9	Thank you, Arthur.
1:59.9	Pleasure to be here.
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