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I'm Malcolm Gladwell. In my new audiobook, Revenge of the

Tipping Point, I'm returning to the subject of social epidemics and the dark side of contagious

phenomenon. Find revenge of the tipping point wherever you find audiobooks out now.

From Pushkin Industries, this is Deep Background, the show where we explore the stories

behind the stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman.

From the campaign trail to the State of the Union, Donald Trump has put the spotlight on one gang in particular,

MS-13, or Mara Salvatrucha, a gang that originated in Los Angeles spread to Central America and has come back.

For Trump, MS-13 has become the centerpiece of an argument on closing borders and deportation.

Today we're going to try to get behind the story.

We're going to ask, what is MS-13?

What kinds of violence has it actually perpetrated?

And what should we think about that for the question of policy on immigration?

We're also going to focus on the question of what happens when the government tries to crack down

on a gang like MS-13.

To do that, we're joined today by Hannah Dreyer.

Hannah is a reporter for ProPublica.

She spent three years in Venezuela as correspondent for the AP, and she won the 2019 Pulitzer

Prize for feature writing for a fantastic

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