If Israel hits civilians, that's genocide.

If it tries to save civilians, that's somehow genocide as well.

Expecting that from the world is a fact.

We knew that it's going to come.

I would try to make sure that the Gazan people would leave the territory so to guard them.

I had convinced almost everybody beside the Egyptians.

They butchered our babies, women, men, kids, soldiers whatsoever.

They have penetrated our territory, and we have the absolute right, I mean, to fight back.

And I think that Israel will overcome, we'll prevail.

I mean, the Israeli spirit or the Jewish spirit whatsoever, I mean, is there.

And most of all, I mean, we don't

really have a choice. I mean, there is nowhere else that we can go to.

Hello, welcome back to the Brendan O'Neill show with me, Brendan O'Neill, and my special

guests this week, Yossi, Coen.

Yossi, welcome to the show.

Good morning and thank you very much for having me.

It's great to have you on.

You are hands down the highest ranking intelligence official we've ever had on the podcast.

For non-Israeli listeners, who might not know, you served as the head of Mossad, the legendary Israeli intelligence agency, having worked your way up to the top over many years. And you served in many

operations. And you've now written a book about your experience and about your views and about

your thoughts on where Israel might go next.

It's called The Sword of Freedom, Israel, Mossad and the Secret War. And it is an intriguing

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