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The LRB Podcast

Inside Israel

The LRB Podcast

London Review of Books

Society & Culture

4.4581 Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2024

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

In the first of three episodes on the crisis in the Middle East, Adam Shatz is joined by Mairav Zonszein and Amjad Iraqi to discuss the experiences of Israeli Jews and Palestinian citizens of Israel. While the Netanyahu government is opposed by many Israeli Jews, and increasing numbers have left the country, support for Israel’s wars in Gaza and Lebanon remains high because few can imagine an alternative. For Palestinian citizens of Israel, who have long suffered restrictions on their democratic rights, the escalating crisis has intensified that discrimination, while stirring a deep sense of fear regarding their future. Mairav and Amjad talk to Adam about the tensions in Israeli society, not least between the government and military, and why Netanyahu has shown so little interest in the lives of the hostages still held by Hamas. Mairav Zonszein is a journalist and Senior Israel Analyst with Crisis Group. Amjad Iraqi is an editor at +972 Magazine and an associate fellow with Chatham House's MENA programme. Read Adam Shatz on the death of Nasrallah: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n20/adam-shatz/after-nasrallah Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, you're listening to the LRB podcast, and I'm your host, Adam Shats.

0:19.6

On this episode of the podcast, the first of two

0:22.9

devoted to the crisis in the Middle East, I will be talking about the Gaza War with two of the

0:28.5

most acute and seasoned observers of the region, Mayhraub Zanzan, the Israel analyst of the

0:34.4

International Crisis Group, formerly a journalist with the website 972,

0:40.0

and Amjad Iraqi, a writer and editor at 972, an associate fellow at Chatham House and a contributor

0:46.7

to the London Review of Books. Thanks for joining us today, Mairav and Amjad. Thanks for having

0:52.9

us, Adam. Thanks, Adam. It's been a year since

0:55.7

October 7, and Gaza are what remains of it is still being destroyed. The Israeli army and

1:03.3

armed settlers are subjecting the West Bank to ever-intensifying levels of violence. And prime

1:09.3

minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has expanded the war to Lebanon,

1:14.0

killing Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, launching an invasion of southern Lebanon.

1:19.8

Israel's bombing campaign has forced 1.2 million people in Lebanon to flee their homes,

1:25.2

about a quarter of the population, and left 2,000 dead.

1:28.6

The shadow war between Israel and Iran is now a direct war. Earlier this month, Iran launched

1:35.7

nearly 200 ballistic missiles at Israel in response to the assassinations of Nasrallah,

1:41.3

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyah, and a commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard

1:46.3

Corps. Israel's response to Iran is expected at any moment. Meanwhile, the number of casualties in

1:53.6

Gaza continues to rise. More than 42,000 have been killed, and an untold number are dead under the

1:59.9

rubble. Plans for a ceasefire appear to be

2:02.3

stillborn. The return of the remaining Israeli hostages has been indefinitely postponed. Far from ending,

2:10.2

the war has simply spread. A year ago, Netanyahu looked as if he was about to fall. His leadership was already being fiercely

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