Inside England’s maternity scandal, part two
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The Times
3.9 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 26 February 2026
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
After a six-month-long investigation into maternity care in England, the government has published its initial findings. The report reveals a catalog of failures at 12 NHS trusts – from inadequate staffing and poor facilities to racial discrimination. So what do bereaved families make of the findings? And can this broken system be fixed?
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- Eleanor Hayward, health editor, The Times.
- Poppy Koronka, health reporter, The Times.
Host: Luke Jones.
Producer: Micaela Arneson.
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| 0:00.0 | From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story. I'm Luke Jones. |
| 0:11.1 | I felt like I was going to be sick. I couldn't catch my breath. |
| 0:14.8 | And so at that point, Rob phoned the maternity assessment unit. |
| 0:18.3 | This was the fourth time that we spoke to them. |
| 0:21.4 | Way back on Monday's episode, we introduced you to Katie and Rob. They know more than most about |
| 0:27.4 | the crisis that's still unfolding in England's NHS maternity care. In 2021, they're expecting |
| 0:33.5 | their first child, Abigail, and throughout the pregnancy, they didn't have any problems. |
| 0:38.8 | All seemed well. |
| 0:40.3 | Until Katie went into labour, and she started bleeding. |
| 0:44.1 | They called the hospital four times, in fact, |
| 0:47.0 | and each time they were told not to worry. |
| 0:49.4 | But taking the initiative, Rob persisted, and he called again. |
| 0:53.8 | I basically explained what I could see in front |
| 0:56.6 | of me that, you know, that she was struggling for breath, you know, had gone clammy, was pale, |
| 1:01.9 | her blue lips, couldn't speak, she couldn't get a word out, which is why I was, you know, |
| 1:06.3 | the one talking to the midwife. They didn't really respond as if they were listening to what I was saying. |
| 1:14.0 | They didn't get the seriousness of it. And she ended the call basically saying, well, you could come in, |
| 1:22.6 | but there's no rush. They did rush in a taxi all the way to the hospital. |
| 1:35.0 | But by that point, Katie was so unwell as she went into cardiac arrest and had an emergency C-section and was put into a coma. |
| 1:42.4 | Rob was left to bounce anxiously between the neonatal intensive care unit where his daughter was and the bedside of his wife. |
| 1:47.9 | I was woken up in intensive care and told that my baby was dying. |
| 1:53.9 | And I can't really explain what that was like. |
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