Hello and welcome to the GZero World Podcast. This is where you'll find extended versions of my interviews on public television.

I'm Ian Bremmer. And today, what happens when Silicon Valley's disrupt or die ethos collides with the machinery of the U.S. government?

Tech Titans have long-wielded plenty of influence in Washington, but in the second Trump administration,

that clout has become supercharged.

A wave of tech heavyweights have surged into President Trump's orbit, intertwining Silicon

Valley's move fast and break things mentality with the Republican Party's agenda.

And at the heart of all of it, Elon Musk, the centa billionaire tech CEO who made his

fortunes breaking industries, space and cars and social media, and is now trying to break

the government in the name of fixing it.

Musk's Department of Government Efficiency has so far fired thousands and thousands

of federal workers and has moved to shut down entire agencies. He's also faced pushback in the

form of court orders and negative opinion polls, but the tech mogul says he is just getting started.

Can Musk's brand of innovation bring efficiency to Washington or will it just inject more

chaos into the system? So far that Musk Trump Alliance has defied predictions that a relationship

between two famously impulsive and mercurial billionaires is destined to go up in flames. But can it

last? To break it down, I'm joined by Wired editorial director Katie Drummond.

After years of covering Silicon Valley, Wired has found itself in a unique position to report

on the current political landscape.

They're breaking dozens of scoops on Doja's operations.

We'll talk about Elon Musk's influence, big tech's bet on the Trump administration, and whether a Silicon Valley mindset will make or break the federal government.

Let's get to it. Katie Drummond, welcome to G0 World.

Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here.

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