Inside El Salvador's CECOT Prison for MS-13 Gang Members, plus Stopping China from Having Control of the Panama Canal
The Ben Ferguson Podcast
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🗓️ 29 August 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
1. El Salvador’s CECOT Mega-Prison for Gang Members
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Senator Cruz describes his recent visit to El Salvador, where he toured the CECOT (Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo) prison.
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The prison was built to house up to 40,000 of the country’s most dangerous gang members (MS-13, Barrio 18).
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Conditions:
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Cells hold 100 prisoners each, with bunk beds stacked four levels high.
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Prisoners are locked in cells 23 hours a day, with 1 hour allowed for exercise and religious instruction (both mandatory).
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No cellphones—blocked with jammers, with heavy fines for carriers if a call gets through.
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Monitored constantly by guards with machine guns and 24/7 lighting.
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Cruz compares it to U.S. prisons, noting it is much harsher and more controlled. He highlights the dramatic drop in El Salvador’s homicide rate (down ~98%), attributing it to President Bukele’s crackdown and mass incarceration of gang members.
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He even interviews an MS-13 member from Texas who admitted to murder in El Salvador and hinted at crimes in the U.S. The inmate expressed regret about his son possibly joining a gang but acknowledged that El Salvador’s new security situation made that less likely.
2. Panama Canal and Chinese Influence
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Cruz also traveled to Panama, where he toured the Panama Canal and met with government officials.
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He emphasizes Panama’s strategic importance to U.S. national security and commerce.
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Concerns raised:
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Chinese companies control key infrastructure near the canal, including ports, a bridge under construction, and a metro tunnel project.
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Cruz warns this could give China leverage to disrupt U.S. military and commercial shipping if conflict arises (e.g., over Taiwan).
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He pressed Panamanian officials to remove Chinese control and noted ongoing negotiations to transfer two Chinese-run ports to a U.S. consortium.
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He frames this as a matter of U.S.–Panama shared interest: Panama also risks economic and security harm if China can choke canal operations.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:05.5 | Welcome, it is Vertiquist Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, and it's really nice to have you with us wherever you are around the country. |
| 0:12.9 | We have got a lot to chat about on today's show as you, Senator, have been on a Codell in Latin America. |
| 0:23.3 | Well, that's exactly right. I left several days ago, spent two days in El Salvador, and then went to Panama and went and toured the |
| 0:29.4 | Panama Canal in El Salvador. I sat down with the president of El Salvador, President |
| 0:34.6 | Buckelly, had a one-on-one meeting with him. The results he has produced |
| 0:40.5 | are extraordinary, and we talked about that on Wednesday's podcast, how El Salvador went from having |
| 0:48.4 | the highest murder rate on planet Earth of 100 murders per 100,000 people to the murder rate plummeting 98% |
| 1:01.0 | last year the murder rate was 1.9 murders per 100,000 people making it one of the safest countries on Earth |
| 1:10.0 | and indeed significantly safer than the United States. |
| 1:14.0 | That result is extraordinary, and what I did this week, is I actually toured the Seacott prison, the prison where El Salvador is putting MS-13 and Barrio 18 gang members. |
| 1:28.6 | It was astonishing. |
| 1:30.0 | I'm going to bring you inside that prison. |
| 1:31.8 | I'm going to tell you exactly what I saw. |
| 1:38.7 | I also spent a day and a half in Panama, meeting with senior government officials in Panama, |
| 1:43.5 | and went and toured the Panama Canal, saw firsthand how the Panama Canal operates, |
| 1:46.1 | and saw one of the two Chinese ports that is right at the Pacific mouth of the Panama Canal. I'm going to tell you what I saw |
| 1:52.2 | on the ground and what the real threat is to American national security and American commerce |
| 1:58.5 | from China having a decisive position on the Panama Canal. |
| 2:04.2 | All of that, we're going to bring inside. Yeah, it's really incredible. I want to tell you real |
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