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Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast

Inside COP: How to Build a COP

Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast

Persephonica

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🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

How do you build a COP? With just a few weeks to go until COP30 in Belém, we take listeners inside the high stakes and the complex mechanics of a climate summit: how they’re structured, who’s running the show, and what makes this one different.


Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, Paul Dickinson and Fiona McRaith unpack how high-level climate conferences actually work, and explore the people and processes shaping this first Amazonian COP. And, with multilateralism under pressure, they ask what we should be looking out for in November, and what success in Belém might look like.


Joining the hosts is Thais Bilenky, Brazilian political journalist and new friend of the show, to give us the view from inside Brazil: Lula’s positioning on the global stage, domestic tensions between national and regional politics, the tricky symbolism of COP in the state of Pará, and what all this means for international climate negotiations.



Learn more:


🌍 Check out the official COP30 website


📊 Find out more about the NDCs (Nationally Determined Contributions) and see what countries have submitted this year, or dive into this NDC tracker from Climate Watch for some digestible analysis of where they leave us



🎤 Leave us your voice notes and questions for upcoming episodes on SpeakPipe


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And we want to hear from you! What do you want to hear more of in Inside COP? Get in touch with us via this form


Producer: Ben Weaver-Hincks

Video Producer: Caitlin Hanrahan

Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid

Assistant Producer: Eve Jones

Exec Producer: Ellie Clifford

Commissioning Editor: Sarah Thomas 


With thanks to Groundswell and Global Optimism.


This is a Persephonica production for Global Optimism and is part of the Acast Creator Network.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to outrage and optimism. I'm Tom Rifekarnik. I'm Christiana Figueres. I'm Paul Dickinson.

0:08.8

And I'm Fiona McGrath. This week we will be talking about cops where they come from and what they mean,

0:13.5

as well as doing a post-match analysis on the General Assembly meetings from New York. And we speak to

0:19.2

Brazilian journalist Taiz Belenki. Thanks for being here.

0:23.6

Hi, friends. So nice to be back together today. We really missed you last week in New York. It's

0:27.7

never the same without you two, Paul and Christiana. And we're going to get into... Wait, wait,

0:31.3

is that serious or we're just absolutely delighted that we weren't there?

0:35.5

You may be delighted, but actually, I have to say that I'm sure you looked at all of the

0:40.4

analysis and, you know, governments are falling behind, all that stuff. And of course, all of that's true and we should get into all of that. But I have to say, and I'm curious to know where the feet had the same response, there was quite a lot of energy in New York last week. It didn't feel like the sort of damp squib that I kind of stupidly assumed it might be.

0:55.2

Actually, I thought a lot of people were moving forward and the energy was really there. last week. It didn't feel like the sort of damp squib that I kind of stupidly assumed it might be.

0:55.2

Actually, I thought a lot of people were moving forward and the energy was really there.

0:58.4

I totally agree. And I mean, again, we'll get into what we actually heard from governments on

1:03.1

NDCs. But I think as a community at a time when so much negativity and pessimism is permeating

1:09.4

the power of coming together and being surrounded by so much

1:12.3

energy. And I hope listeners, you felt that as well, hearing live from us on the ground. It was

1:17.6

buoying in a time when it often feels like you're just drowning. Just to put some reality there,

1:24.4

in addition to impressions, the largest Climate Week ever by numbers of participation.

1:30.4

That in itself already expresses where most people want to go.

1:36.8

Climate Week started under Obama and there was a very sort of positive environment.

1:40.1

But my general experience of working with, so to say, non-state actors and corporations

1:44.0

and all this kind of thing is at one level, I mean, clearly there's this whole scary US situation, but they need to come together at times of opposition more than ever. That's the most important time to get together and say, you know, we're not in crazy town. And to stand with each other, you know,

2:03.4

Trump's super crazy speech at the UN, actually reality itself is being sort of challenged. And

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