It's the Brian Leary show on WNYC. Good morning again everyone. Have you seen the cover of this week's New York magazine yet?

The headline is The Comest Democrats in the Country, and then it says, despite is the

calmest Democrats in the country and then it says despite terrible polls and panicked pundits the

mood inside Biden headquarters is chill so we're gonna have the writer of that story now New York magazine is like an ostrich with its head in the sand or is everyone else running around mindlessly

like a chicken without a head?

Choose your feather-headed creature metaphor we'll discuss.

Hi Gabe, welcome back to WNYC.

Hey, Brian, it's good to be here.

Thanks for having me back.

In brief, to start out, what's this divide?

Well, the divide is between the rest of the world. we'll start there. People who look at the

polls and feel like oh my goodness gracious, Donald Trump is about to come back.

Joe Biden is plummeting in the public's view and what are we doing about it? And then there's the people who

are actually you know allied with Joe Biden. It's his campaign. It's people in the

White House, people who I spent the last few months really digging in with, and their view is listen folks we have a

plan the next year is not going to be easy the election is going to be close but

there is a there is a theory of the case here and that largely rests on the idea that as

soon as the American people realize

that this is really a binary choice, Joe Biden versus Donald Trump once again

they'll wake up and these poll numbers will start to look a little bit better.

Well though I don't know that there were poll numbers in 2020 like the ones we've been seeing recently

that actually show Trump beating Biden in most of the swing states.

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