tokens were really driving kind of almost negative outcomes, where A, they were a distraction

for teams because the teams were having a hard time figuring out, okay, am I being successful

because we have a good product that's working? Or am I being, you know, successful because

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We don't want to have any distractions about whether we're on product market fit.

And we only want to attract the people who want to be here because they want to build a global

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Network forward slash break-dash-free. Base creator Jesse Pollock has been named one of CoinDesk's 50

most influential people this year as Bass became one of the leading Ethereum Layer 2s,

with its TVL reaching $5 billion. Jesse joins me now. Congratulations. Thanks, Jen. Super excited and grateful for the honor.

Well, tell me honestly, how does it feel to be named one of CoinDesks's most influential people?

You know, it's exciting, and I think it's a testament to all the hard work of the entire base community and economy that

have elevated base to be such an important part of this new global economy that we're building.

Well, let's talk about that.

You know, the most influential title is all about impact.

Beyond that impressive TVL that I just mentioned, where do you feel like base has made the biggest impact this year?

I think base has been unafraid to kind of like push the limits of what's possible and create space for

all kinds of people in the new global economy. And I see that coming through in a few ways.

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