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Jeff, you gave me an introduction that I'm going to use. I don't usually use people's

introductions that they feed me, but instead of saying if a story started with, it's that old adage,

right? If an engineer, attorney, MBA, an entrepreneur walked into a room, it sounds like a joke,

but this is actually who you are. So Jeff Holman of intellectual strategies, thank you for being

on your brand amplified today. Yeah, thanks for having me,

Anika. It's great to be here. And that is my story. I don't, I have all that. We can dive into it,

but it's maybe a unique blend of skills. Yeah, I'd love to hear that because it's not often that

you hear people go on as entrepreneurs. We often davele in a lot of things,

but to actually have all of those letters behind your name is unusual.

Yeah, you know, I actually remember back to one time I was a lunch meeting for a bunch of attorneys,

and this speaker came in, and this was early in my legal career, right?

And he said, and I had my engineering degree, and I went into law school because with engineering and law, you can have a patent attorney. But I heard him speak, and he's like, yeah, I have my, I think he had the three, the same, you know, some type of undergrad and an MBA and then a law degree. And I'm like, oh, that sounds interesting. So I don't,

maybe that sparked it. Just put it in my mind. Yeah. Well, so did you initially start out wanting to

be an engineer or was it something you were really good at, but then you saw these other opportunities?

Yeah. It's a great question because I actually

knew that I wanted to go into engineering from high school. I really liked, you know, my physics

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