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Today, Explained

Innocence is not enough

Today, Explained

Vox

News, Daily News, Politics

4.310.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court is going to let Arizona kill Barry Jones, a man whose rape and murder convictions were vacated in 2018. This episode was produced by Hady Mawajdeh, fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Tori Dominguez, engineered by Efim Shapiro, and edited by Matt Collette and Sean Rameswaram, who also hosted. Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained Support Today, Explained by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The Supreme Court of the United States has really been on one lately.

0:04.0

I mean, there's the obvious thing.

0:06.6

But did you hear that it's okay to put innocent people to death now?

0:10.3

A new Supreme Court ruling limits the legal challenges defendants can make if they were

0:16.1

represented by a terrible public defender.

0:20.3

And there's a guy on death row right now who might get executed as a result.

0:26.4

Henry Lee Jones was sentenced to death for killing a four-year-old girl, but just a few

0:31.0

years ago a judge tossed out the verdict and ordered a retrial because of a shoddy defense.

0:37.1

Today's ruling means that retrial won't happen.

0:40.2

On today's explain, we're going to tell you the story of Barry Jones and how his case got

0:44.8

up to the Supreme Court and how the Supreme Court decided that innocence is no longer enough

0:50.5

to exonerate someone from being executed for a crime they maybe didn't commit.

0:58.1

Today, explained Sean Romsfram, we're going to try and wrap our heads around a doozy

1:10.3

of the Supreme Court decision.

1:11.7

It says innocence isn't necessarily enough to exonerate someone who could have been

1:15.8

wrongly convicted, even if that person might die.

1:19.3

The person who might die first as a result is named Barry Jones.

1:23.2

Before we get to the Supreme Court, we're going to tell you Barry's story.

1:27.0

This is not a story for kids.

1:29.1

In fact, if you're not in the mood to hear about murder and rape, you might want to skip

1:33.8

it.

1:34.8

We will give you a moment here.

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