You are listening to the Roberta Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

From New York City, Roberta Glass is now on the record.

Hi, everybody. I hope you're having a good week. Nadia, who I met at the Galane Maxwell

trial, has started a terrific new substack, which I hope you'll, will all subscribe to. The link is in

this episode's description. Please subscribe and support her work. So Nadia, she has done an

interview with me and it is like a very compacted, very dense ABCs of innocence fraud. She did a

terrific job editing this. This is part one of the interview and I will release part two on this channel and this

platform when it comes out. So keep an eye out for that. I was trying to really encapsulate and I don't

know how well I did in this podcast what innocence fraud is about, how it works. And you can hear Nadia and it really clarifying.

You can hear her background as a teacher in this, really clarifying what it is, how it worked,

exactly the mechanics of it. And here's the first part of her two-part interview with me.

And she wrote a really nice, flattering introduction.

I first met Roberta over a year ago at the Galane Maxwell trial. It was the first time I had

watched a trial in person, but for Roberta, it was nothing new. She had been at the courthouse for

the nexium trial and Larry Ray trial.

She had also researched and read the court documents and transcripts for numerous other ones as

well, all covered in her true crime podcast. Her knowledge was most evident on days when I would

find myself lost and confused listening to the lawyers argue. But Roberta was able

to follow along and explain what was going on to me. Roberta was the one who had introduced me

to the innocence fraud movement. To explain this movement, it is a grift. Organizations such as the Innocence Project have a team of lawyers represent convicted murderers years after their verdict and try to have that conviction overturned. In the process, they make a profit from the media and from the civil lawsuits against the city.

When I first met Nottie at the Galane Maxwell trial,

you know, you're always, or I'm always nervous when it finally comes around to the subject of what your podcast is about. I say innocence fraud. I can remember Lisa Bloom at the Galane Maxwell trial

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