Creativity is not something we do.

It's like something that happens to us.

You show up and you sit down to do the thing you're going to do

and you open your vessel and you kind of let the universe pour through you.

What needs to pour through you.

The more open you can be, the better.

The more open you can be, the better. Let me let it out, let it out let it out.

Hi, welcome back to episode 304 of the Let It Out podcast. I'm your host, Katie Dielbout.

You're in for a treat today, you guys.

Linnea Sims, founder of Interplay and Outer Work, is the guest on today's episode.

We've known each other for several years, and this conversation felt so nourishing to me, and I think it will to you too.

We covered a lot of ground, everything from anti-racism work, needing to be a parallel process with self-care, the importance of personal growth and fun being intertwined, visualization, the uncomfortable part of being a

beginner, energy work, shifting energy. We talk about privilege and manifestation and spiritual

privilege. We talk about relationships, social media, robbing you of your creativity. We talk about creativity in general. We talk about learning quite a bit. And she gives two learning models, banking and constructivism, and so much more. She is an educator, a self-development coach, and the founder of Interplay and Outer Work,

which are dual education networks for cultivating personal growth and collective change.

Whether she's teaching about self-development or systematic racism,

her mission is always the same to provide a safe,

communal, and fun place to learn and grow. And she's been featured in paper and essence,

and she's been on the stage at South by Southwest. And honestly, she's just one of my favorite people

to have a conversation with. And I am so excited for you to eavesdrop on this conversation today. I think we'll be collaborating a lot. I know we're going to be collaborating a lot more. I'm a member of her anti-racism practice group, outer work, and now part of Interplay as well. And this is just a very

robust conversation covering a lot of ground. If you listened to my episode last week, you met my

friend Helen. She is a movement instructor and her and I are hosting three summer workshops,

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