Hello, I'm Michael Watson, joined by Robert Stilson, and this is the Influence Watch podcast.

Over the past several years, the public has become familiar with the concept of lawfare,

the process of using the legal system to gain political ends, regardless of the validity of the

underlying case. Environmentalist groups have long been practitioners of aggressive

lawfare,

but who exactly is funding litigation challenging the ability of energy companies to make energy?

The U.S. Senate suspects that the People's Republic of China may be among them, and so CRC President

Scott Walter was invited to testify on the funding of lawfare at a judiciary subcommittee

hearing titled Enter the Dragon, China and the Left's Lawfare Against a Judiciary Subcommittee hearing titled, Enter the Dragon,

China and the Left's Lawfare Against American Energy Dominance. Scott joins us to discuss his testimony. Scott, welcome back. Great to be with you. So what did the Senate ask you to testify

about? They are concerned that there is collusion, you may say, between the Chinese communist government

and environmental groups in the United States pushing a climate or sorry, pushing litigation or law lawfare more accurately, trying to destroy the

American energy sector, or at least large parts of it.

And so what's the purpose of this environment of environmental lawfare?

Not sort of beyond the China question, just in general,

because a lot of this is domestic or from, you know, individual foreign people,

not so much necessarily state sponsored.

What's the purpose of it?

How does it affect, you know, the average person when they go to the gas station, when they

run their air conditioning, so on and so forth? Yeah. Well, of course, the special target for

climate lawfare is the entire fossil fuel sector. So coal and gas and oil. Those are the bet noirs of the ranking member of the same committee,

Sheldon White House, senior senator from Rhode Island. And a chairman of the subcommittee where

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