It seems to me that if we do a really good job,

we'll not only hold the death down to a level that is much lower than the other way,

had we not done a good job.

People are talking about July, August, something like that.

So it could be right in that period of time where I say it washes through.

Other people don't like that term, but where it washes through.

I think a lot of the media actually has been very fair.

I think people are pulling together on this.

I really think the media has been very fair.

I think it could be that you have some

foreign groups that are playing games, but it doesn't matter. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the

Muckrake podcast. We're really glad that you're listening. This is a podcast that works really,

really hard to go beyond the headlines and the normal superficial talk.

You know, and I think that's more important than ever.

So thank you to all the new listeners.

I am your co-host, Jared Yates Sexton.

I'm here with my co-host, Nick Housewoman.

Nick, things are constantly moving, constantly changing.

We're in an odd time with the coronavirus pandemic.

We have a completely ineffectual president at the helm of this thing,

who is only making matters worse.

I think that all brings us to a very important question.

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