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This is the Tom Hartman program.

On the line with us is our old buddy, Nick Hanover. He is an entrepreneur, civic activist host of

Pitchfork economics podcast. He and Joan Wall have put together along with co-author Donald Cohen

who wrote the privatization of everything. A new book called Corporate, I'm going to say BS rather

than the whole word, exposing the lies and half truths that protect the profit, power, and wealth in

America. It's published by Inva newpress.com. And Nick, welcome back to the program.

Thank you Tom. This is great to see you.

Great to see you again too. So tell us about the book. First of all, what prompted this book?

What inspired you guys to write this? As progressive activist, I've spent a career

running into the objections of powerful institutions, mostly businesses, but also non-profit

institutions like the Cato Institute or whatever it is that do the bidding of big business.

What I found in my long career of doing this is that every time you try to improve the

lives and ordinary people, you run into this buzz saw of objections that what we're trying to do

will be bad in some way, shape, or form. And after having listened to hundreds of those of over

my career, I by chance bumped into or actually a known Donald Cohen who had taken a year off

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