Just a few miles off the Thailand coast, the island of Kothau looks like a postcard.

I'd underneath the surface lies something sinister.

In the last 20 years dozens of tourists have died mysteriously on the island.

A dark cloud who's come over the island, death, mystery and danger.

Listen to Death Island every Wednesday on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curric and this is next question.

We hear it every day. Americans are politically and culturally divided.

But something we don't hear very often is that 87% of us are sick and tired of it.

So if so many people feel this way, what can we do about it?

At the essence, the overwhelming majority of human beings are wired to want to transcend what is happening to our society today.

We are not designed to be nasty jerks, but ultimately it comes to our daily habits.

Daniel Lubecki is the founder of Kind Snacks, he's also a social entrepreneur.

He's always believed in using business as a force for good and his approach to the polarization problem is a nonpartisan civic movement called Starts With Us.

We'll also be talking to Peter Coleman, he's a professor at Columbia and he's working with Daniel's organization on conflict resolution.

Along with 213 thought leaders and cultural figures, Daniel and Peter are taking on everything from extremist attitudes to divisive media to power hungry politicians, all in the name of what so many of us want, a rational approach to solving our most intractable problems.

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Hi Katie, I'm getting on my ergonomic chair. Hi Daniel. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm very well.

I'm very excited to talk to you because you are a very interesting person and to say your backstory is fascinating is an understatement.

I feel like getting to know you, we have to first get to know your father because he was such an important influence on you and his story.

I think very much shaped the person you are today. Tell us about your dad Roman.

Absolutely, I do think that my my story starts with with my family and particularly with my dad, who was probably one of the greatest influences in my life.

And he was a little kid when world were to started eventually he landed in concentration camp in Dachau and he was liberated by American soldiers.

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