You said that. I can't believe I said that. That's a great. Yeah. Are you sure? I said that. Yeah, she wrote it. Wow. I was most of

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Amy Ray and Emily Sailors met in elementary school, but they didn't really get to know each other until high school when they started performing music together.

They both went off to separate colleges and then they started playing together again and decided to call themselves the Indigo Girls.

Their first full-length album came out in 1987 and they have been making music together ever since. They have each done a lot of different things on their own, but their extraordinary creative

collaboration has endured. They joined me now to talk about it and all the wondrous things they're doing. Amy and Emily, welcome to Design Matters.

Thank you. Thank you. It's good to be here. Yeah, we're excited about this.

Emily, you are the daughter of a well-known Methodist pastor and church musician. He also taught at Emory and Candler School of Theology and you've said that your whole upbringing was saturated in theological discussion and music.

What kind of music we introduced you back then?

Well, as a young child, I sang in kids' church choirs and sang in a children's choir, the young singers of Calenwald in Atlanta, both my sisters and I did that when we were very young.

And then in the house, my parents listened to a lot of jazz and a lot of classical music. They weren't really into the songs like folk music, a rock music or any of that that I came to know and love.

But there was that we had a turntable in the living room and I'd get up on Saturday mornings. There was always either jazz or particularly classical music going on. And then, of course, all the girls picked a lesson and we all music lesson and we all sang and we we went to concerts and so we our household literally was saturated. And then my dad, he's been writing sacred music for for a long time.

And you wrote a book together, actually.

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