Indigenous Economics with Tyson Yunkaporta

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🗓️ 11 November 2021

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

It often feels like contemporary life diverges from everything that actually matters. Our global economic system could not be less in touch with patterns of creation, natural systems, and the real wealth of healthy soil, clear water, and bonded communities. Of course, it hasn't always been this way — and it doesn't have to continue to be. In this conversation, or yarn, we speak with Tyson Yunkaporta of the Apalech Clan in far north Queensland, Australia, about the connections between Indigenous economics, complexity theory, and systems thinking. We also discuss caring for the commons, explore how to hold each other accountable, and hear the story of the world's first corporation. Tyson carves traditional tools and weapons, works as a senior lecturer in Indigenous Knowledges at Deakin University in Melbourne, and recently authored the book Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World.

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0:34.4	Music
0:55.2	Card system is needed, without a card system you can't have economic growth.
0:59.6	So that's why this idea of changing the culture and fighting for equality
1:03.5	and tweaking the system that everybody thinks that we can still have prosperity and equality
1:08.8	at the same time. You can't in a growth based economic system at all. For that, you need
1:14.9	all the garks at the top and you need surfs dying at the bottom. You need that. And look,
1:21.5	the mechanics of that are quite simple. You cannot price anything in this economic system
1:27.7	that we have now. You can't price anything unless it's limitable and excludable. That's how
1:33.8	you calculate that price. It's limitability and excludability. So you have to be able to limit
1:39.0	the amount of that thing. And you need to be able to exclude people from access to that,
1:46.5	make it difficult for them to access that. You can only do it with a caste system.
1:51.2	So the people at the top half have access. The people at the bottom half don't.
1:55.6	You are listening to upstream. Upstream. Upstream. Upstream. A podcast of documentaries and
2:02.8	conversations that invite you to unlearn everything you thought you knew about economics.
2:08.7	I'm Dela Duncan. And I'm Robert Green. In this conversation, we hear from Tyson Young Caporta
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