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THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

Indictment Watch - Mark Meadows' Shocking Trial Gambit

THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

Audio Up Media

News, Politics

4.78.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2026

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

This week on indictment watch we have my friend, mentor, and moral compass Norm Eisen the former Obama Ethics Czar. Norm’s prescient op/eds for The New York Times have predicted what would happen in all four indictments every step of the way. He joins me today to unpack what happened Monday in Georgia and the likelihood of Meadows and any of the defendants having their cases moved to Federal Court.

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0:00.0

This is my Mayor Cop

0:05.8

This is my Mayor Cop

0:09.0

Oh, baby, don't lie for me.

0:11.5

If I tell you my story, don't cry for me.

0:15.0

I take my time that's fun by me.

0:17.2

This is my mea go bo.

0:22.6

This is Michael Cohen, and you're listening to the Mayor Culper podcast.

0:27.2

Well, we've got another exciting edition of indictment watch, friends,

0:31.4

and today's news turns on the remarkable and some say reckless testimony of Mark Meadows, who rolled the dice on Monday

0:40.2

by taking the stand in the sprawling Fulton County election subversion trial.

0:46.6

So for roughly three and a half hours on Monday, Meadows testified about his job at the White

0:53.2

House and the chaotic post-2020 election period

0:57.9

when Donald Trump, his former boss, sought to overturn the election result to stay in power.

1:05.7

Meadows sought to convince a judge that is Trump's right-hand man at the White House, his various attempts to block

1:13.4

his 2020 election loss to Joe Biden were part of his official government duties. If the judge

1:21.2

agrees, the trial could end up moving from state court to federal court, a much more

1:27.3

advantageous legal spot for Meadows.

1:30.6

That would dramatically abend the case brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis

1:37.0

just two weeks after the grand jury indicted Trump, Meadows, and 17 others on racketeering charges related to efforts to subvert the 2020

1:48.3

election results. What unfolded in Atlanta on Monday was shocking by legal standards. Criminal

1:56.4

defendants, well, they often take advantage of their constitutional right and declined to testify

2:02.9

as part of their legal proceedings. And even smarter defendants declined to speak publicly

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