“Indian Intelligence & Cyber” – A Conversation with Sameer Patil, ORF Mumbai

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🗓️ 4 April 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary Sameer Patil (Twitter; Website) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence and cybersecurity in the world’s most populous nation. He formerly worked in the NSC Secretariat in the Prime Minister’s Office in New Delhi. What You’ll Learn Intelligence Cybersecurity in the world’s largest democracy The breakdown of India’s intelligence agencies Cybersecurity among the world’s second largest internet user base India’s relationships with China and Pakistan Reflections Imperial legacies Borders of the mind Guest Bio Sameer Patil is a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, where he is an expert on the intersection between cybersecurity, counterterrorism, and national security. Previously, he served as the Assistant Director of the National Security Council Secretariat at the Prime Minister’s Office in New Delhi. He has a PhD in International Relations from Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, and is the author of the 2022 book Securing India in the Cyber Era. Quote of the Week "So, it's a very unique relationship because if you see both the countries, uh, in a sense emerged as modern nation states at around the same time. India attended independence in 1947 the Chinese Communist party emerged victory years from a protracted civil war. In 1949 and. Initial periods of both the countries, as modern nation states were very cordial relationship, very friendly relationship in fact, we had a very populous slogan at that time, which is known as “Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai,” which means India, China, Brothers - Indians and Chinese are brothers together. But by the late 1950s, many of the issues started to unravel." – Sameer Patil. Resources SURFACE SKIM *SpyCasts* “Intelligence & the World’s Largest Democracy” - Indian Spy Chief Vikram Sood (2021) “Afghanistan, the Mujahedeen, Al Qaeda” – My Time at CIA & State with Diana Bolsinger (2021) Beginner Resources Cyber War: How Prepared is India? WION (2022) [Video] India’s Rise in Cybersecurity Incidents, The Print (2022) [Video] The Entire History of India in Under 10 Minutes, Made in History (2022) [Video] Cybersecurity in 7 Minutes, Simplilearn (2021) [Video] India Profile: Timeline, BBC (2019) [Article] The Indus Valley Civilization, J. Green, PBS (n.d.) [Video] DEEPER DIVE *Featured Resource* Securing India in the Cyber Era, S. Patil (Routledge, 2022) *Wildcard Resource(s)* “The James Bond of India” Real-life spy Ajit Doval who spent years undercover in Pakistan He is currently the National Security Advisor of India!

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0:19.0	I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Hammond, the Museum's historian and curator.
0:25.0	Coming up next on Spycast.
0:28.0	It's a very unique relationship because if you see both the countries in a sense emerged as modern nation states at around the same time.
0:37.0	India attained independence in 1947.
0:40.0	The Chinese Communist Party emerged victorious years from a protracted civil war.
0:44.0	And initial periods of both the countries as modern nation states were in a sense very cordial relationship, very friendly relationship which was there.
0:53.0	In fact, we had a very popular slogan at that time which is known as Hindi Chindi Bhai Bhai which means India China Brothers.
1:00.0	Indians and Chinese are brothers together.
1:03.0	But by the late 1950s many of the issues started to unravel.
1:09.0	Samir Patil is a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation.
1:21.0	India's premier think tank and a top 20 think tank outside of the United States.
1:27.0	He is an expert on the intersection between cybersecurity, counterterrorism and national security.
1:34.0	Previously he serves as the assistant director of the National Security Council's Secretariat at the Prime Minister's office in New Delhi.
1:42.0	He is a PhD in international relations from Jawaharlal, Nero University in New Delhi and is the author of the 2022 book Securing India and the Cyber Era.
1:53.0	His work has been cited in the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal and many other agencies.
2:02.0	In the rest of this episode, Samir and I discuss cyber security and the world's largest democracy.
2:09.0	Cyber security among the world's second largest internet user base.
2:15.0	Cyber security and the world's largest country as of this year.
2:20.0	The breakdown of India's intelligence agencies and India's relationships with China and Pakistan.
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