Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast. I'm Sarah Isger, your host, joined by Jonah Goldberg,

David French, and Steve Hayes. Thank you for listening and subscribe at Apple, Google

Play, Stitcher, wherever you get your podcast or the Dispatch.com. Today we've got the Iowa

Caucus debacle, State of the Union, and the final vote on impeachment.

Let's dive right in Jonah, Iowa. We are two days out of the Iowa caucuses. It is Wednesday

afternoon as we are sitting here in this room, and we have only 71% of the precincts reporting.

I mean, this is a silly question ask in some ways, but how big of a disaster is this?

I think it's such a big disaster. You could almost see it from space. First of all, I am delighted,

and I'm sure we'll get to this, but I am delighted that this is the death now of the Iowa

caucuses, because I've been running for 20 years of the Iowa caucuses. Sock and our big

piles of sucky sucky. Oh, Jonah, you're taunting me and triggered. And they, you know, when

people say this is what democracy looks like, it's not actually what democracy looks

like as I wrote in our little back and forth thing, because democracy is actually about

the secret ballot and being able to vote your conscience. It's not about a whole bunch

of extremely polite Midwesterners brow-beating you into changing your position to go with

the herd. But anyway, this is a New Yorker talking about what democracy looks like.

Dripping with condescension. It says, it's so polite Midwesterns. So forbidden. I'm on

the brand. And so anyway, let's, but other people can have, I mean, David wrote a very

good piece about the incompetence of all this and all that. I just want to make one point.

It is outrageous that they are not, they are still just selectively releasing the stuff.

They're already, they already took the hit for screwing this up. They will never live

down how badly they screwed this up. But to be releasing it in drips and drabs, when

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