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The Political Scene | The New Yorker

In the Trenches with the Foreigners Fighting for Ukraine

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

The New Yorker

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4.33.9K Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2023

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Luke Mogelson, a contributing writer at The New Yorker, is one of the rare reporters who has seen the war in Ukraine from the front lines. He recently spent two weeks embedded with a group of fighters from around the world who had chosen to travel to Ukraine and join the war against Russia. In a new story in the magazine, he writes about the sophisticated and incessant violence of the war, and the mentality that keeps these volunteer soldiers there, fighting on behalf of a country that is not their own. He joins Tyler Foggatt to discuss what he witnessed.

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We're listening to The Political Scene, a show about current events and the political forces driving them.

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I'm Tyler Faggett, and I'm a senior editor at The New Yorker.

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Luke Muggleson, a contributing writer at the magazine, is one of the rare reporters who has seen the war in Ukraine from the front lines.

1:05.3

He recently spent two weeks embedded with a group of foreign fighters from around the world

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who had chosen to travel to Ukraine and join the war against Russia.

1:13.0

In a new story for The New Yorker, he writes about the sophisticated and incessant violence

1:16.9

of the war and the mentality that keeps these volunteer soldiers there, fighting on behalf

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of a country that is not their own.

1:25.7

So yeah, look, I feel like I should just start by saying that this is, it's honestly one of the most remarkable pieces of war journalism that I've read in a very long time. It's just sort of like unimaginable that you were able to write and report this piece. And I feel especially that it's just so unlike anything that I've read about the war in Ukraine. You know, in the piece, you mentioned that the war in Ukraine has been

1:44.4

extraordinarily opaque. That's how you put it. And I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit

1:48.1

about the reasons for that opacity and then explain how you were able to penetrate it by

1:52.7

embedding with this group of foreign fighters. Sure. Yeah, so I had been reporting on the war

1:59.5

since the very beginning in early March. And I had been reporting on the war since the very beginning in early March, and I had

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