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Welcome to another podcast from insidecarolina.com, the independent voice of UNC Sports.

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Welcome to the Inside Carolina podcast.

I'm the host for this one, John Siegley, joined by E.J. Wilson and Mike Ingersoll.

We are sponsored, as always, by

Johnny T-shirt and Giant T-shirt.com here for our weekly In the Trenches podcast. Guys,

UNC got the win that they desperately needed for the season over Duke last weekend. E.J., let's

start with you and the defense, man. Talk about that final play because, you know, I think most Carolina fans

seeing Duke have the ball first and goal from the two-yard line, just, you know, figured there was

no way that they were going to pull it out. But the defense managed to make that play.

Kind of walk us through what you were feeling and what you saw during that standup.

Well, initially, of course, I was like, here we go again.

We're kind of letting things go, getting kind of soft on them and letting them push the ball down the field.

So I honestly was a little discouraged right up until the point where Chaz's hands touched the ball.

And honestly, I think we're looking

at a Carolina legend in the making. I mean, just this guy's story about transitioning from

quarterback and how he kind of struggled early on in the season and now looking at the player

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