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For Inside Carolina, I'm Taylor Vivpolis and this is in the trenches where I'm joined by my fellow Carolina football letterman, Mike Ingersoll and E.J. Wilson. Guys. Guys, Saturday, it's hard to put it into words, but Saturday was wild.

North Carolina, escaped boon with a 63 to 61 win over App State in a game that had a little bit of everything, except for defense. E.J., I feel like

you're going to be the star of this podcast. So let's get right into it. What were your thoughts?

I think I guess I'll start off with a little bit of the positive, which isn't actually a positive.

The positive is really the play that we've kind of been seeing out of

Keemont Rucker.

The negative of that is why aren't we seeing more of this guy?

Why isn't this guy a part of the starting lineup?

I mean, I mean, I was taking notes as I was watching the game.

And I remember on one play, I mean, he set the edge so well on that stretch play that have been killing us all game that it's like, I mean, why, why aren't we saying more of this guy? He's, he's playing

this play and playing the technique of the edge player, defensive, and outside lineback,

or whatever you want to call it. He's playing it to a T and we're being productive as a defense

when he's out there. Other than that, that's probably the most positive thing I have to say.

Other than that, it really was just a show of a lack of discipline.

I feel like you can just take some of our old pods from a couple of years ago

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