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In the No Part 2

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Natural Sciences, History, Documentary, Science, Society & Culture

4.644.5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2018

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

In the year since accusations of sexual assault were first brought against Harvey Weinstein, our news has been flooded with stories of sexual misconduct, indicting very visible figures in our public life. Most of these cases have involved unequivocal breaches of consent, some of which have been criminal. But what have also emerged are conversations surrounding more difficult situations to parse – ones that exist in a much grayer space. When we started our own reporting through this gray zone, we stumbled into a challenging conversation that we can’t stop thinking about. In this second episode of ‘In the No’, radio-maker Kaitlin Prest joins us for a conversation with Hanna Stotland, an educational consultant who specializes in crisis management. Her clients include students who have been expelled from school for sexual misconduct. In the aftermath, Hanna helps them reapply to school. While Hanna shares some of her more nuanced and confusing cases, we wrestle with questions of culpability, generational divides, and the utility of fear in changing our culture. Advisory: This episode contains some graphic language and descriptions of very sensitive sexual situations, including discussions of sexual assault, consent and accountability, which may be very difficult for people to listen to. Visit The National Sexual Assault Hotline at online.rainn.org for resources and support.  This episode was reported with help from Becca Bressler and Shima Oliaee, and produced with help from Rachael Cusick.  Special thanks to Ben Burke and Jackson Prince. Support Radiolab today at Radiolab.org/donate.

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Before we start, a quick heads up, this episode contains some graphic language and descriptions of very sensitive sexual situations, including discussions of sexual consent and accountability, which might be very difficult for some people to listen to.

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Wait, you're listening.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Okay. All right. You're listening. Okay. All right. Okay.

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All right.

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You're listening to Radio Lab.

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Radio Lab.

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From W. N. Y.

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C.

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See?

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Yeah.

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Hey, I'm Chad Abumrod. This is Radio Lab.

0:36.4

Today we have part two of a three-part series that we're calling in the no. No as in NO. We were inspired to do this after hearing a set of stories on a show called The Heart, produced by Caitlin Prest. Last week we played excerpts of that series. And if you haven't heard last week's episode, I would

0:55.5

encourage you to go back and listen. Because the stories that Caitlin told, which got some very

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intense reactions from our listeners online all over the map, however you feel, I mean, those

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stories that she made are a very striking striking personal view of consent from the inside.

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Now, it just so happens that Caitlin produced those stories in the spring of 2017, which is the spring just before all the accusations started hitting the news.

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First against Harvey Weinstein and then congressmen like Al Franken,

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actress like Kevin Spacey and then comedians,

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and then in many cases the very people, very men who were reporting about those stories.

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And much of what made it into the news was pretty clear cut,

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