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Unexpected Elements

In the name of science

Unexpected Elements

BBC

Science

4.4565 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

After the end of a near 17-year legal battle between popstar Katy Perry and fashion designer Katie Perry, the Unexpected Elements team has been inspired to explore the question at the heart of the case – what's in a name?

First, we hear how marmosets use their calls as a way of naming which friend they’re talking to. Then, we discover why a phenomenon known as auditory pareidolia means you can’t necessarily believe your ears.

We're then joined by David Kaiser, professor of physics and history of science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who explains just how hard it is to put physics into words.

Also, the disappearance of indigenous languages, the law for naming laws, and where did all our hair go?

All that, plus many more Unexpected Elements.

Presenter: Marnie Chesterton with Andrada Fiscutean and Michael Kaloki Producers: Imy Harper, with Lucy Davies and Sophie Ormiston

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts.

0:07.2

Savings, credit cards, car finance, reclaiming, insurance, investing, power of attorney,

0:11.6

decision, indecision, analysis, paralysis.

0:15.1

Don't panic.

0:16.4

The Martin Lewis podcast is twice weekly, helping you navigate our complex consumer world.

0:21.2

I'll walk you through a big money-saving topic step by step.

0:24.5

Then in question time, you set the agenda and ask whatever's on your mind.

0:28.6

Would you rather be locked in an empty shopping centre with a thousand snakes or just one gorilla?

0:33.6

Within reason.

0:34.2

The Martin Lewis podcast, listen on BBC Sounds.

0:41.7

Back in his university days, scriptwriter Richard Curtis, the man behind Blackadder,

0:48.2

four weddings and a funeral and love actually, had a girlfriend called Anne.

0:53.4

She left him for Bernard Jenkin, who subsequently

0:57.0

became a Conservative MP. In Richard Curtis's 40 years of TV and film hits, a character

1:05.4

named Bernard appears with suspicious regularity and with certain overlapping traits.

1:13.1

In fact, Richard Curtis may have single-handedly shaped our opinions of Bernard's,

1:19.2

because in the films they're so often hapless and annoying.

1:23.1

Both Bernard and Chad are ancient names associated with bravery and strength.

1:28.9

And I just love how Chad has become shorthand in meme culture for a square-jured muscle bro,

1:35.1

while Bernard, in the UK at least, is just a little bit clueless.

1:39.8

I'm Marnie Chesterton from the BBC World Service.

1:42.9

This is Unexpected Elements.

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