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Teaching Hard History

In the Footsteps of Others: Process Drama

Teaching Hard History

Learning for Justice

History, Courses, Education

4.2588 Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In learning about slavery, students often ask, "Why didn't enslaved people run away or revolt?" Lindsay Anne Randall explains "process drama" — a method to help build empathy and understand the risks and complexities that enslaved individuals faced. Join host Hasan Kwame Jeffries, Ph.D., and Learning for Justice, a project of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). (This episode originally aired in Feb. 2018.)

Visit the new resource page for this episode (2025), which includes essential ideas and teaching recommendations from the conversation, updated resources, and a complete transcript.

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0:00.0

Thank you for allowing me into your home. First, I'd like to ask you a couple of

0:06.7

biographical questions. Where were you born? I was born in Pennsylvania County, Virginia,

0:14.1

on October 22nd, 1948. Janie Graves began teaching social studies at Durham High School in 1975, just as desegregation

0:23.6

swept across the South, flipping the school from white to black.

0:27.6

For the next 20 years, she taught government, American history, and street law, a favorite of hers.

0:33.6

A keen observer, she knew her student's strengths and weaknesses.

0:36.6

In order to get a verb, noun connection, you must know grammar.

0:41.8

Otherwise, you are not going to write well. You're not going to speak.

0:44.8

She also knew the fraught racial politics of the school board.

0:48.4

There is dearly something wrong with the system when you have legislators dictating people who are not educators that are dictating

0:57.9

what should be taught and how it should be taught. Which is why she opposed this decision to turn

1:03.7

Durham High into a magnet school. That move was meant to flip the school again, this time from

1:10.6

black back to white.

1:12.6

Her vocal opposition to this controversial plan led me to interview her for my oral history project.

1:19.2

My name is Assam Kwamey Jeffries. I'm interviewing Ms. Gregg's at her home on March 12, 1995.

1:26.7

I was in my first year of graduate school at Duke University, but I was taking oral history

1:31.1

with Jacqueline Hall at UNC Chapel Hill, one of the perks of going to school on

1:36.1

Tobacco Road, that and ACC Hoops, of course.

1:40.8

The interview was a part of a group assignment.

1:43.5

My group, like the others, interviewed local women in an effort to redefine grassroots leadership.

1:49.0

And when I interviewed Miss Graves, she did not disappoint.

1:53.0

She spoke with candor about the school board's plans and with passion about the obstacles black students faced.

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