Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. Happy Thanksgiving, y'all. Depending on when you're listening to this, I hope either prep for dinner is going well, or if you're like me, you've got the highlighter and the Thai takeout menu ready to go. Or if you're past all that, you're gladly basking in the post-food coma glow.

Anyway, there's a hilarious,

but also kind of a sad anecdote about men and masculinity and keesh in today's interview.

It's with writer Rossi Anastapulo, talking about her book, Sweet Land of Liberty, which

looks at American history through the lens of pie. Apparently, you can

use pie to talk about anything, feminism, labor, religion, race. And Pira Stasha

Fifer gets to asking about the Kiche thing, and I'm not going to spoil it for you guys

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You've almost certainly heard the expression as American as Apple Pie.

But why is Apple Pie considered so American?

And is the explanation really so simple?

Apple Pie is not American because it is wholesome and hearty, and certainly not because it is

indigenous.

It's American because it embodies the way cultures and traditions from all over the world

have blended, reshaped, and ingrained themselves into the fabric of this country to define

the reality of our national narrative.

That's food writer Rossi Anastapulo. As you can tell, she considers the Apple Pie America Connection complicated.

She uses pies to explore our country's evolution, including religion and gender roles and an economy built on slave labor.

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