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From KQED.

Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

Throughout this series in search of home solutions for the homelessness crisis, we've

talked about the things the Bay Area is doing that actually work to prevent people from

losing their housing or to get them back into housing more quickly.

But all these programs are patching over the key structural problem.

Our area has very high incomes, relatively few public housing units, and a constrained supply of

housing in the private market. And that's especially true for units that are affordable for people

with very low incomes. So what do we do about it?

How do we build more permanent housing

that people making, say, minimum wage can actually afford?

We're joined this morning first by Patrick Kennedy,

owner of panoramic interest.

That's a development firm that's been building in the Bay Area since 1990.

Thanks for joining us, Patrick.

Thank you for having me. And we have Carolina

Reed, professor in affordable housing and urban policy in the Department of City and Regional Planning

at UC Berkeley. Thanks for joining us, Carolina. I'm glad to be here. Thanks. So, Carolina,

let's start with you. I mean, we know that one of the main drivers of homelessness is just a lack of housing

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