Hey, it's NPR's book The Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. What would you want out of a utopia? Do you want

everyone to hold hands and get along? Do you want to be weighted on hand and foot? These are interesting

questions because they all really get at what does it take to be happy? It's a topic author

Nicola Eune explores in the new novel, One of Our Kind.

It's about a black mom named Jasmine who moves to an all-black suburb in order to find

some sort of reprieve from racism. The book is a thriller, so it obviously doesn't go hunky-dory.

And in this interview with NPR's Aisha Roscoe, Nicola talks about the hypocrisies we all commit when trying to make a better world.

That's ahead.

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Jasmine Williams knows she should feel good about moving into a new community, but it's making

her pretty uneasy. She, her husband, and their young son have left a small Los Angeles apartment

behind for the recently developed suburb called Liberty. It's an all-black community with big,

beautiful houses and good schools, no police

profiling, no stereotyping, a safe place, promoting black excellence and well-being.

The residents of Liberty are so happy, maybe too happy. That's the plot of Nicola Youne's new novel, One of Our Kind,

and she's here now to talk about it. Welcome to the program. Thank you. Thank you so much for

having me. Tell us a bit more about Jasmine and what led her and her family to settle in

Liberty. Yeah, so she wanted to move to liberty for safety,

for community. She has a young black son. She's pregnant. Her husband is black. And moving to a

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