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Body language, eye contact, pace of speech, really letting someone speak and then actively listening.

These are things that allow people to hear themselves and oftentimes I think what people are really wanting when they're in conversation is to hear themselves.

And so I think when you give someone that opportunity,

it allows them to disarm considerably

and then participate maybe in a way that they typically would not.

Welcome to In Her Shoes. I'm Isikran's fan, deputy style editor at The Cut.

Then this podcast we talked to Ambicious Deputy Style Editor at The Cut.

In this podcast, we talked to ambitious women about how they've come this far and where they're

going next.

So I have two kids. I was lucky enough to have two pretty easy births and both times I worked with

a Dula and afterwards I had a moment of like wait wait, do I want to be a Dula and help women give birth?

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