From KCRW, I'm Michael Schneider, the executive editor of IndieW, filling in for Kim Masters, and this is the business.

There has to be drama, and the extreme end of drama is death, so you go to that.

But I want to make a film where no one is killed, but I just can't yet.

Prolific director Ben Wheatley developed a cult following with his intense, hyperviolent movies

like Down Terrace and Kill List.

His newest film, a dark action comedy called Free Fire, features Brie Larson and Army Hammer

as 1970s arms dealers stuck in a Mexican standoff.

Bigger stars and a bigger budget mean the movies got a better shot at broader commercial

appeal, but it's still a Ben Wheatley film, which means a lot of people die.

KCRW's Matt Holstman talks to Wheatley about his attempt to meet the audience halfway on Free Fire,

dealing with casting changes and whether he'd ever want to direct a superhero franchise film.

But first on the news banter, it's official. Bill O'Reilly is out, but what does that mean next for Fox News?

Stick around.

It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter, Matt Bellany, of the Hollywood reporter.

Hello, Matt.

Hi there.

Well, Matt, Bill O'Reilly is no longer the most powerful name in cable news. 21st Century Fox announced on Wednesday that he was

out after 21 years as host of the O'Reilly Factor. So that changes things quite a bit in the rocky world

of cable news. From the Fox News perspective, the most successful cable news outlet, also the most

profitable. What does this mean for the bottom line? Well, it's interesting because O'Reilly is not only the number one rated cable host for the last

15 years or so, but he is the juggernaut of the Fox News evening schedule. So not only was the

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