I'm Cal Newport, and this is In-depth, a semi-regular series in which I talk to interesting people about the quest to cultivate a deep life.

I'm excited about today's guest. It is the author Chris Grubeau.

He has a new book out called Time, Anxiety, The Illusion of Urgency and a Better Way

to Live.

So clearly this book topic is one that you know I'm going to be interested in, and we

have a good conversation about it.

But I was also excited to have Chris on the show because he's a blast from the past for me.

We intersect strongly back in that early stage of my career, the 2000s, when I was blogging. I'd written my first student books and I had the study hacks blog. And I knew Chris from back in that world. So we sort of go

back and relive a little bit what that early stage of new media was like where blogs reigns

supreme. We talk about these fantastic conferences that Chris organized called the World

Domination Summit, including this famous one within sort of our circles, I think it was

the 2011 or 2012 World Domination Summit. You can find my video of me talking about so good they can't

ignore you. It's online, but it's just like 800 person venue. And it brought together all of these

different people at early stages in their career that would go on to do really

interesting things so you know i was there talking uh bernay brown was there as well that was like

one of a couple different there's a period there i was doing multiple different stuff with bernay

gretchen rubin i think was there uh susan kane from uh quiet was there it was just like this this really interesting period of where people are coming together.

That's where I met the minimalist for the first time.

Like they were just coming up and it was all this energy at this one place.

So we have a lot of interesting discussions, not just about his new book, Time Anxiety, which is great.

You should check it out.

But also about what was that world like, that world of online ideas like in that pre-social media age?

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