In Defense of Lean In Feminism
The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism
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4.2 • 903 Ratings
🗓️ 14 December 2023
⏱️ 30 minutes
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Summary
On this week’s episode of The Waves, why can’t the feminists all get along? Slate senior producer Cheyna Roth is joined by Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR political correspondent and author of the Substack, This F**king Job. They dig into what went wrong with Sheryl Sandberg’s book Lean In, why it wasn’t all completely wrong, and how to stop giving anti-feminists the ammo they need to attack.
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Clips Used:
“Sheryl Sandberg: Women Must Learn to ‘Lean In’” - ABC News
“I bought the book Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg” - Sarah Tollemache
“Girl boss culture gotta go” - Rachel Turner
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the waves, Slade's podcast about gender, feminism and leaning all the way in. |
| 0:12.0 | No, no, even further, come on, lean in with me, just a little bit more. |
| 0:16.3 | There you go. Every episode you get a new pair of feminists to talk about the thing we can't get off our minds. |
| 0:22.6 | And today you've got me, Shaina Roth, |
| 0:24.4 | senior podcast producer here at Slate. |
| 0:29.2 | You ever read a book and it's so mind-blowing that it becomes your whole identity. Like it hits you at |
| 0:36.0 | just the right time in your life when you're in just the right place and it worms |
| 0:41.1 | itself into your subconscious and it's all you can think about and it's all you can think about and it's all you |
| 0:45.8 | want to think about for months like you just feel seen for the first time. |
| 0:51.6 | So when I read this book I just I punched the air I punched the wall I |
| 0:56.7 | wanted to scream I was like thank God someone gets it that's NPR Political Reporter Danielle Kurtzlavin. |
| 1:05.0 | You'll hear a lot more from her later in the show. |
| 1:07.0 | The book she's talking about is Lean In, Women Work and The Will to Lead. |
| 1:12.0 | It came out in 2013 and was written by Cheryl Sandberg, |
| 1:15.4 | former C.O. of Facebook, and Nell Scovol. |
| 1:18.8 | But let's face it, it's really Sandberg's book. |
| 1:22.4 | It was a smash when it came out. The book hit the New York Times bestseller list |
| 1:26.6 | and stayed there for more than a year, sold more than 4 million copies within five years |
| 1:32.1 | and was a game changer for women everywhere and |
| 1:34.8 | Sandburg was all over the news. Here is 2020 anchor Elizabeth Vargas. |
| 1:40.1 | Cheryl Sandburg is one of the most powerful women in the world. |
| 1:44.7 | At 43, she's the chief operating officer of Facebook and a billionaire. |
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