In defence of a new Europe - with Paul Mason

The Two Matts

The New World

News, News Commentary, Government, Politics

4.4 • 523 Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

The Trump administration’s National Security Strategy document released this week is an astonishing affront to what many of us believe to be the liberal world order. The Matts are joined by New World contributing editor and columnist Paul Mason to understand just how far reaching its consequences are - and how Europe must find new purpose if it is to resist it. Where is the UK’s place in that new Europe? And sweat must this Labour government do to avoid chronic declinism? It’s an engrossing conversation that sheds light on the predicament we are in - and how to escape it. Enjoy!

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0:48.4	We are delighted to be joined on the Two Matter podcast by Mr. Paul Mason, who is contributing editors to the New World.
0:55.2	Hello.
0:55.7	And you've also got the grandest title of it, which is going to be relevant to our conversation.
1:01.4	It is.
1:02.1	Tell us the title.
1:03.1	I am the Anarim Bevin adjunct fellow in resilience and defense at the Council on Geostrategie, which just means I do a bit of
1:12.9	research for a think tank.
1:14.6	That's a pretty big flex, isn't it?
1:16.3	Yeah, and I chose...
1:17.1	It's a boss name.
1:18.4	Your card must be like four feet wide.
1:20.5	I chose Nybevin because actually Ernest Bevin is the well-known foreign policy icon of the Labour movement.
1:28.7	But I also think, Naibuven reflects more than where I am in terms of left politics.
1:34.6	But it's a kind of up yours to the pro-Pootenist because the point about Naeven is that
1:40.2	he in the 30s was very pro-rearmament, as am I.
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