"In Covid's Wake" Part 2: Wrong About The Right

If Books Could Kill

Michael Hobbes & Peter Shamshiri

Arts, Politics, Books, Society & Culture, News

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🗓️ 19 June 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Last episode we met two Princeton political scientists who are bad at virology. Today we learn that they are also bad at political science. Where to find us: Peter's newsletterPeter's other podcast, 5-4Mike's other podcast, Maintenance PhaseSources: Lawrence Wright’s “The Plague Year”Jonathan Howard’s “We Want Them Infected”How the Pandemic Defeated AmericaCOVID-19: examining the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventionsUS State Restrictions and Excess COVID-19 Pandemic DeathsIm...

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0:00.0	Do you have a zinger?
0:00.9	How can I possibly have a zinger for this?
0:03.6	What do you know about June of 2020 to January, 2024?
0:08.5	What do you know about that period, Peter?
0:09.8	Look, you can't keep trying to pull zingers out of me for the same book.
0:13.9	It's outrageous.
0:15.1	Oh, what's your zinger for Nudge Part 2?
0:17.4	I don't fucking know, man.
0:19.1	I'm not just an endless font of Zingers.
0:22.1	I mean, you kind of are though, Peter, to be fair. It's like one of my favorite things about you.
0:26.1	Unfortunately, the inherent cornyness of our Zingers, it makes it so that coming up with two of them is
0:33.5	humiliate. Like, if you come up with one corny joke, it's like, okay, that's a corny joke
0:38.0	about the book or whatever.
0:39.6	Coming up with two back to back,
0:41.3	it's just like, ugh, it's degrading.
0:44.0	So are we giving up on them again?
0:45.4	I might just have the music kick in randomly at some point.
0:47.4	You keep putting me in a situation
0:48.7	where we have to give up on them.
0:54.0	Music Okay, so this is episode two of our dissection of in COVID's wake, how our politics failed us by Stephen Macedo and Francis Lee to academics at
1:13.1	Princeton.
1:13.9	What kind of academics?
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