"In Covid's Wake": Lying About Lockdowns

If Books Could Kill

Michael Hobbes & Peter Shamshiri

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🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Two political scientists look back at a deadly pandemic and ask, "could we have done even less?" Where to find us: Peter's newsletterPeter's other podcast, 5-4Mike's other podcast, Maintenance PhaseSources: Lawrence Wright’s “The Plague Year”The 2019 WHO report 30‐day mortality following COVID‐19COVID-19: examining the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventionsPolicy Interventions, Social Distancing, and SARS-CoV-2 Trans...

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0:00.0	I've been dealing with a very Hobbesian ailment lately. I believe that I have turf toe.
0:06.6	Your feet are transphobic? It's like a sprain of the big toe. They call it turf toe because it happens in sports with AstroTurf a lot.
0:14.4	How did you do that? Probably just walking. Basically it's like you overextended or like a little too harshly or whatever.
0:19.6	That is Hobbsian because it's like my humors are out of balance.
0:22.1	There's no like actual, like actual reason it's happening.
0:25.5	We've been going on a lot of like walks around our local like reservoir and stuff for a few miles.
0:31.1	And it could have been like it could have been from workout stuff.
0:34.1	I don't know.
0:34.6	This is your 40s dude.
0:35.6	You're doing like CSI reconstructions.
0:38.4	Yeah, exactly.
0:39.1	Your pillow was like half a centimeter too low.
0:41.8	And so your neck hurt for like two weeks.
0:43.8	If my neck is not like at like the angle that God chose when I'm watching television,
0:49.3	it will hurt for three days.
0:50.8	Same.
0:53.0	But it doesn't stop me from doing it anyway. I've been lying on
0:57.2	couches in various ways for 40 years. Yeah. And suddenly it doesn't work. I know. I'm not going to
1:03.1	stop doing it just because it's literally killing me. Absolutely not. Okay. What have you,
1:07.5	Zingwise? Okay. Yeah, I can do it. I can do it. Peter? Michael?
1:13.1	What do you know about in COVID's wake?
1:40.1	All I know is that the only book about COVID that I want to read's wake, colon, how our politics failed us.
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