Good evening current affairs, listeners. I am here tonight with one of my dearest friends, Mr. Richard R.J. Eskow. He is the host of Zero Hour with Richard R.J. Eskow. And he has done many, many things in his life. And I want to just make sure I know all of them, because I know that you

were a writer for Bernie Sanders. You wrote speeches and policy documents and what have you.

I was his only, well, other people wrote for him, but his wife told me he had never hired a writer

before and that I should consider it a great honor.

When was this? Very early. He first started talking to me about the possibility in late 2014,

actually. Okay. And then I was employee number five, I believe, on the campaign. And he took me out

to dinner the day he hired me.

He said, I love writing.

Maybe you should run for president and I should be the writer.

I said, I don't think I have the personality for it. And he gave me a very sketchy look.

Like, is this guy like putting me down?

Is he, you know?

Well, I mean, I think for Bernie, the idea of having the personality to run for president is something contemptible.

Yeah, I think that's probably right. That was probably what the dirty look was about.

Yeah, one of the things I like about him is that he doesn't seem like he wants to really be president.

No, I think that's right. I mean, you know, there's a long tradition in various like Buddhism and Islam and everything

where they used to say in the medieval days that if you wanted to be the governor of the

province, that was an immediate disqualification.

And I think that Bernie kind of is probably the only politician I know who meets that qualification of not really wanting it.

Well, this is why I think I've long thought that Congress needs to be selected like we do jury duty.

And people should have to be drag, random people should have to be dragged, kicking and screaming to serve in Congress.

It'd be better than the system we have now.

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