Shameless Media This episode of Shameless is brought to you by the Galaxy Zed series. Fold or Flip, it's the ultimate travel sidekick. It's the ultimate travel sidekick. Who? Hello. Hello and welcome to this In Conversation episode of Shameless.

It's the last of our London series.

And it's with Louis Theroo.

Yep, that's right, Louis Therou, probably the most exciting guest we've ever had the pleasure of sitting down with.

He needs no introduction, but I'll give you one anyway.

Louis is an award-winning documentarian and journalist known for shining a light on the weirdest

and most worrying corners of our world.

In this chat, Zara asks Louis how he feels about fame, why he chooses to interview people

with fundamentally different views from

his own, and how obsessive he is about work even after all these years. As with all of our

recent in-convo episodes, Zara was joined with an on-air producer. This week, it's Eilish, and they

play a little fun game with Louie at the end, as always. Here is Louie. I think you guys are

going to absolutely adore this one. Louis Theroum, welcome to Shameless. Nice to be here. We are here with our on-air producer, Eilish Gilligan, who is, am I allowed to say a big fan? Yes, you're allowed to say that. I am also a big fan, but I wish to hear that. Thank you. I am very conscious that we have taken over your own studio. I was going to say, you said welcome and I was like, well, welcome me. This is my studio. That's quite weird. I feel like I've got home invaders who are kind of presuming to host me in my own house. That's right. And know our artwork is behind you as well. So are you Spotify

bedfellows then? We're big Spotify fans. So Spotify if you're a fan, you can everyone, that's good

for people to know. Like if you're a fan of Spotify, you can just come in and use their studio.

Spotify are very good to us. We use their studios all the time. They're very, very kind. I wanted to start because what I was quite struck by when I was kind of thinking about this interview and we went to your producers and said, is there anything he doesn't really want to talk about? And it was like, no, Louie's fine. Generally, everything's all good. I wondered if you don't have any no-goes generally for an interview because you value that in other people.

Basically, yeah. I'll talk about anything. I also think, though, that it's valid to have a no-go if something is getting boring and it's just endlessly.

Because there is a tendency sometimes with interviews to follow the paper trail, which means so that any headline that's Googlable becomes the map of the terrain that you

want to cover and actually stops you from breaking new ground. I like to be an interviewer as I would

hope to be someone I was interviewing. Does that mean? So like I access all area. Like I like to get

in the bedroom when I'm making a documentary. I know that sounds a little weird. I don't expect

to go there

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