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Personally, it was definitely the most challenging time in my life without a doubt.

I felt like a complete failure every single day.

There were most days I didn't want to get out of bed. I had to haul my

ass out of bed. Hello and welcome to Shameless, PopCulture Podcast for Smart Women who Love Dumb Stuff.

Today on the show we have the inimitable Emma Isaacs.

Emma is a serial entrepreneur. She's the global CEO of Business Chicks, Australia's largest

business community for women, and last year she published her first book, Winning It.

We sat down with Emma in our tiny makeshift studio at Zara's house to chat all things success,

failure and building brands. Here's Emma. Emma, welcome to Shameless in Conversations.

We're so excited to have you. I read your book last year and I know that Zara and I we went to the business chicks event last year as well when you guys came to Melbourne and we have been massive fans of you guys for

ages thank you yeah huge fans and also like mildly embarrassed that you're sitting

in my parents I'm recording I love this in Melbourne, but we are so happy to have you.

Emma, we start every episode in the same way and that is to ask you, is there anything

you're reading, watching, listening to at the moment that you would recommend to other women listening?

I mean, do you have time?

To be really honest, I mean, my literary repertoire at the moment

sort of ranges from somewhere between where is the green sheep

to the gruffalo.

I mean, it's just, you know, it's really life is full on. I've got these four little,

so five little humans in my household that range from 10 down to one and I'm traveling a bunch and working so, yeah is just I get to kind of 9 o'clock at night and I'm like

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