In Brief: China Has Police Stations in the U.S.? (with John Carlin)

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🗓️ 23 January 2023

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Preet speaks with John Carlin, a top DOJ official in both the Obama and Biden administrations, about the threat of Chinese “overseas police stations” allegedly targeting Chinese nationals living abroad. The FBI reportedly recently searched an unlisted Manhattan office being used by Chinese officials to collect information. Stay Tuned in Brief is presented by CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Please write to us with your thoughts and questions at letters@cafe.com, or leave a voicemail at 669-247-7338. References & Supplemental Materials: Cyber Space, John Carlin’s CAFE podcast “Exclusive: China operating over 100 police stations across the world with the help of some host nations, report claims,” CNN, 12/4/22 “China accused of creating overseas ‘police stations’ to target dissidents,” PBS, 10/27/22 “With F.B.I. Search, U.S. Escalates Global Fight Over Chinese Police Outposts,” NYT, 1/12/22 “Two Arrested and 13 Charged in Three Separate Cases for Alleged Participation in Malign Schemes in the United States on Behalf of the Government of the People’s Republic of China,” Department of Justice, 10/24/22 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	From Cafe in the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is Stay Tuned in Brief.
0:10.0	I'm Pete Barara.
0:12.0	Over the past few months, there's been a flurry of news reporting bringing to light a troubling
0:16.1	story that could threaten to further erode U.S.-China relations.
0:20.0	All over the world, Chinese officials have set up outposts, often in the form of unlisted
0:24.7	offices that are being used to collect information on Chinese nationals living abroad.
0:30.7	The offices have been dubbed Overseas Police Stations and may have not escaped the attention
0:35.1	of the Department of Justice.
0:36.9	According to new reporting, the FBI searched the Manhattan Office of a Chinese Outpost last
0:41.7	fall.
0:42.9	To discuss the threat and what the government is doing about it, I'm pleased to welcome
0:46.4	back an old member of the Cafe family and my friend, John Carlin.
0:50.8	John as a former federal prosecutor was ahead of the National Security Division at the DOJ,
0:55.4	but who also, and more importantly, in 2020, hosted the CyberSpace Podcast here at Cafe.
1:01.2	Then he left us to go back into public service, assuming the role of principal associate deputy
1:05.7	attorney general.
1:06.8	Now he's back in private practice.
1:08.8	John is an expert in among other things, Cybersecurity, National Security, and Corporate Criminal
1:13.4	Enforcement.
1:14.4	Mr. John Carlin, welcome back my friend.
1:16.6	Thanks, Pete.
1:17.6	It's great to be back.
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