Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

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It's all very exciting and wonderful, and I'm so glad that it's been helpful and supportive

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I'm very happy to have Daniel Ice back on the show.

He had previously come on the show to talk about fraud as a business model.

And now is going to be talking a little bit more about belief and religion than he was able to get into during the last time that we had our episode.

And also, you'll hear that at the end of the episode today, we're talking about doing a third

episode about a different subject.

What I really like about Daniel is his wealth of information and also that I always

learn new things when I speak with him and I know that you are going to benefit from hearing

his take on things in a new and unique way. He's an entrepreneur and was raised inside a quite tightly knit church.

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