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In an AI Agent World, Do Money Markets Win Over Stablecoins? - Bits + Bips

Unchained

Laura Shin

Business News, News, Tech News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

USDC became Hyperliquid's stablecoin infrastructure, and the 30-year broke 5% for the first time since 2008. Austin, Ram, Chris, and Gordon Liao of Circle work through who wins. --- Thank you to our sponsor! ⁠Coinbase One⁠: Get 20% off the first year of your Coinbase One annual plan at ⁠coinbase.com/unchained⁠. Heads up! If you haven’t yet, be sure to subscribe to Bits + Bips, since the show will migrate there in a few weeks. Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Unchained⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and wherever you get your podcasts. ---- Coinbase and Circle have moved into Hyperliquid, installing USDC as its aligned quote asset and taking over treasury and technical deployment. For Gordon Liao, Circle's Chief Economist and Head of Research, that is a liquidity supernova. For Chris Perkins, it is the moment every TVL-trapping platform was always going to arrive at.  Meanwhile, the CLARITY Act has cleared the Senate Banking Committee on a bipartisan vote, but the ethics question — whether Democrats will vote for a bill that leaves Trump's family holdings untouched — remains unresolved.  And as Kevin Warsh is confirmed as Fed chair, the 30-year yield breaks 5% for the first time since 2008. Hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Austin Campbell (@austincampbell) — Founder, Zero Knowledge Consulting; Adjunct Professor, NYU Stern ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ram Ahluwalia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Co-Host, CEO of Lumida ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Perkins⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Co-Host, CEO of 250 Digital Asset Management Guest: Gordon Liao | Master of Coin, Circle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

All right, everybody.

0:01.9

Hello, and welcome to Bits and Bips, where we explore how crypto and macro collide one basis point at a time.

0:09.2

We're going to start today with the latest stories in the worlds of crypto and macro.

0:13.5

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0:27.2

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0:29.0

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0:32.0

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0:34.1

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0:38.2

tips.

0:42.1

All right, everybody. I'm your host, Austin Campbell, now equipped with water, high

0:48.0

scholar of zero knowledge group, and I'm here with my co-hosts, Ramolawalia, maister of wealth,

0:54.0

leader of Lumina, Chris Perkins,

0:56.6

the golden hand of 250 digital asset management, and our guest, Gordon Liao, Master of Coin at Circle,

1:03.8

who I'm particularly excited to have on today, given what's going on in both the news and the rates

1:09.4

markets.

1:10.0

So if you're not familiar with Gordon,

1:12.3

trust me, you're going to enjoy this way. Now, let's start actually specifically with Circle

1:18.3

today because news came out that Coinbase and Circle have essentially eaten USDA. And what I mean by

1:26.8

that is that USDA is being sunset. USDC will be

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